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December 14, 2005
Cosmic White Holes into Infinity
Black holes don't exist, at least not how we think. The very name black hole comes from the depths of our subconcious fear of the unknown. "Aye, there be sea dragons!". Of course we could get all literal about it and say light does not escape, and so they appear black from our perspective. Ok, but this belays a bigger point. You see, even the most astute physicist when pressed to a corner will admit that beyond the event horizon of a black hole, the laws of physics as we know them evaporate. At first this sounds devastating, as if everything is destroyed. Not destroyed, only unbounded. You see, if the laws of our physics cease to exist past a certain point, otherwise known as the singularity, then that means that what lies beyond this singularity is a realm where the laws of physics no longer apply. This is not a vacuum, unless we are taking about a power vacuum on the most massive scale possible. For without the laws of physics, all of a sudden the information entropy Bekenstein bounds become unbounded. We enter as Greg Egan would say into the macrosphere, a place of much vaster possibilities. My guess is these so-called blackholes are the escape route out of our universe into a much larger higher-dimensional macroverse of even greater possibility. And in turn in these new 7,9,10-dimensional macroverses, there are escape openings into every greater realms, and this process continues forever upward, outward, beyondward into increasing numbers of dimensions, levels of intelligence and infinity without a ceiling (see the Sans Ceiling Hypothesis).
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, we are in the process of bootstrapping ourselves off of the planet and out of the shackles of tyranny. $100 hand-powered Linux and wifi laptops are about to flood the third world. With the internet becoming the storehouse of all knoweldge - wikipedia and its half million articles and growing, in dozens of languages, google scanning millions of books despite the petty threats of publishers, the acceleration and proliferation of p2p technologies and workarounds. Everything is being rapidly converted to bits, and bits can be hacked, liberated. Information wants to be free. What is capital now, but information bits? Since its all bits, and bits are infinitely replicable, distributedable, decentralized and democratic, capital becomes liberated from control. Meanwhile scientific advances continue a pace, science is becoming open-sourced, even hardware is becoming open sourced.
Meanwhile, mass produced nanotubes are coming and will utterly change the world. Solar and wind technologies are becoming cheaper, and things are only going to accelerate even faster.
Posted by paul at December 14, 2005 02:22 AM"My guess is these so-called blackholes are the escape route out of our universe into a much larger higher-dimensional macroverse of even greater possibility."
Paul -- this same concept forms the basis for Dr Duane Elgin's cosmology -- see specifically the pdf files listed at Part II here: http://www.simpleliving.net/awakeningearth/books_bae_excerpts.asp
An abundance of his work can be found here:
http://www.simpleliving.net/awakeningearth/default.asp
It is also hinted at in Dr. Paul LaViolette's work [especially "Genesis of the Cosmos", and "Sunquantum Kinetics"], which I find much more difficult to plow through, however.
My own vision of it was recorded in "The Blue Sky of Pure Consciousness" manuscript I passed around earlier this year. I called it the 'Omniverse,' and pre-echoed your own statement about its "unbounded dimensionality." [an excerpt follows:]
Like a nebulous cloud drawn from the sultry atmosphere, our Cosmos is extracted from and subsists within a hyperdimensional Omniverse of unbounded dimensionality.
Time and Space as we know them are but an arbitrary construct: a skeletal weave upon which all created beings impress their momentary architecture: fleeting cloudscapes upon the long vast horizon of the Omniversal HERE and NOW.
This Omniverse, the theatrical hall of continuously creative CONSCIOUSNESS, the Vedic Satyaloka, ‘the Place of Pure Being,’ is the transmuting Source from which all created things originate and emanate.
Our Universe is but a darkened cloud hung aloft in its shimmering Infinitude. The hyperdimensional Light that filters playfully into the coarse materiality of our Universe is then refracted into a spectrum of richly varying wavelengths, surfacing here and there in a diverse pantheon of wakeful Life.
... The Wavepulse of CONSCIOUSNESS, the Creative Principle ingressing from the hyperdimensional Omniverse, enters the bedarkened cloudland of the Cosmos in a billowing stream of Light.
Exploding upward through the upbuild of Matter, it unfolds radiantly into a concrescing continuum of smaller ripples that continue to widen outward, ballooning the Universe into a pantheon of hyperlinked vortices, out of whose electromagnetic flutter the sidereal stream of manifest Life begins to pour forth.
To put it simply -- the supracosmic Omniverse is at every instant beaming our entire created Universe into manifest existence!
I'm not entirely sure I literally believe every detail of that anymore, but the coincidence was too uncanny not to post here.
Upwinger
Posted by: Upwinger at December 10, 2005 07:06 AMHi Upwinger,
You and I are no doubt on the same page.
It's funny because all of this stuff is so obvious, and I can apply it across all of human knowledge, concepts and semantic contructs. The challenge however has always been to articulate so others without the same insight have a chance of understanding it too.
Smiles,
Paul
Posted by: Paul at December 10, 2005 10:43 AMStarting with email people had the ability to send their thoughs to almost anybody in just a few moments.
Then with BBS's you could share files with people you never had to meet or knew even existed.
Today with the web and P2P millions can share a file just minutes after it's been posted.
And with more devices and people going "online" each day this trend will increase no matter how hard governments and companies try and stop it.
Any tech they may wish to throw out trying to slow it down can only backfire and make information even easier to get in the end.
While some have been sued for having "information" on their computers.
This is nothing more the a scare tatic that will fail. Can you sue 100,000 people that have a copy of a song on their computer? how about million or a billion?
And even if they can will the company make a profit from a consumer if he will not give it his hard earned cash now that his brother and friends are in court?
And this is the state with just the current p2p software.
How can they stop information exchange when it becomes totaly untrackable throught encryption, jumping from one swarm of p2p networks to another in just milliseconds and splitting data to millions of slices and then sending it off to devices all around the world before putting it back together for the end user?
Can you sue some guy in China because his WiFi PDA had the "H" in Harry Potter for 1/1000th of a sec before it was passed on to a guy in France and then on to Canada?
Information is the true freedom and when every person on the planet can have it at his or her fingertips we will all be free.
Governments and companies are stuck in the past when most of the power came from them having all the information.
It messes with their minds no end that some guy with a windup laptop in the middle of nowhere can have the same information they do.
And when you combine this true freedom of information with the regular guy on the street being able to step onto a space elevator 50 or so years from now and then go to any place he or she wishes we will see humankind leave the dark ages where power and money was the goal of most and into a age of light where living your life just for the joy of living becomes the norm.
And how long can it be before we find what is on the other side of blackholes and find out what life might be like in the higher dimensional macroverse.
Posted by: James at December 10, 2005 08:07 PMthey could also just be nodes of beingness itself ... pure beingness ... cosmic neural ganglions .... the realm of pure imagination and speculation , jewel encrusted specualtive bliss .... lots of things exist here ... i mean there , in the black hole around the corner ;)
on the other side of the black hole is just more of this .. speculation ... increased infinitely ... it becomes just a worshipping of the unknowability of the self ... jewels and faces of every color twirling in hyperspace ... thoughts burning off in fractals from its awesome heat and unimaginable lightless light
there is no other side .
Posted by: jiva at December 10, 2005 10:19 PMI agree with Jiva, there is no other side. Its like a Moebius strip, an infinite loop. At the black hole/white hole you pass through the narrow gap where inner becomes outer, and outer, inner -- but its all one continuous supracosmic body. A truly Supreme Being.
Posted by: Upwinger at December 11, 2005 06:21 AMWhy is everybody assuming that black holes can lead to other Universes?
Couldn't it be that black holes turn out to be rather uninteresting once we figure out how they work?
Posted by: Jay at December 11, 2005 07:17 AM"And when you combine this true freedom of information with the regular guy on the street being able to step onto a space elevator 50 or so years from now and then go to any place he or she wishes we will see humankind leave the dark ages where power and money was the goal of most and into a age of light where living your life just for the joy of living becomes the norm."
50 years is too conservative. LiftPort have a target date for the space elevator at 2018 I believe. The dark ages will end a lot sooner than 2060 I hope.
Jay -- Its more than an asumption. Check out the sources both Paul and I have named. Obviously we are far from conclusive proof, but the theories are rather exciting!
ADB -- Surely the space elevator will *not* be open to the regular guy on the street right away? I'm sure it will take a while for it to be opened to the general public. But hopefully sooner than 50 years!! ;)
Posted by: Upwinger at December 12, 2005 05:28 AMRegarding black holes, I'm simply asking people to view them from a different context, realizing that psychology plays a strong role in how we view things. "Want to change the universe, then change yourself" - says an old Zen master. Quite frankly, what lies beyond the singularity of black hole is still a mystery, but we do know the laws of physics as we know them "break down". But "break down" is more semantics. We could also say "cease to exist", "evaporate", "unwind", "unbound". Take your pick. Assuming that singularity results in nothing is I think a bias brought on by the very term "black hole", since "black" signifies nothingness. It's all a semantic limitation. I'm asking the reader to look past the semantics and see that quite possibly, actually quite likely, the opposite occurs past a singularity - not nothingness, but closer to everythingness.
Regarding the Space Elevator, we must remind ourselves that things are accelerating, so be mindful of linear progression. Once the space elevator is operational, you can be sure this will accelerate rapidly the deployment of space-based industries, which will in turn accerlate the deployment of more and better space elevators, etc. Space Tourism will piggyback on top of this economic boom, and quite quickly, the space frontier will open very radidly. I expect by 2030 at the latest, there will be dozens if not hundreds of space colonies, functional and/or in construction. By 2030, nanomaterials, nano-based assembly etc will be in full swing, and re-engineering of humans will already be happening as well.
Posted by: Paul at December 12, 2005 09:10 AMwere goin up around the bend ... come along and rise and win ... goin up around the bend ...
Another great post, Paul. We do seem to be accelerating super-exponentially toward total access to (so-called) Inner Space AND Outer Space. As Timbo (Tim Leary, that is) always said, the two more-or-less necessarily go together, evolutionario-developmentally. Space-tethers and Space-elevators will be a big boon. Almost (if not, indeed) **ALL** manufacturing processes can be done better in zero-g, well-away from the planetary biosphere (at a Lagrangean point, say, or, indeed, elsewhere out in the solar system). So it'll make sense to move virtually every production activity off-planet. And yet it will also be perfectly feasible to have robotic servants and "desktop" (or, at most, refrigerator-sized) home nanofactoies as well. There are, as Ray [Kurzweil] points out, several techno-trajectories that are both developing super-exponentially, and, to a partial extent, **converging** as well. The next 10-20ish years will be the crucial time. We need to systematically shepard all this into optimal being. Will the current power-elites and plutocrats try to stymie and/or feudalize all this? Well, yeah, maybe, perhaps even probably...but it may not be very easy or feasible to do...We need now to be very vigilent, and to try to make sure that we instantiate all this tech within proper and optimally-funcitonal institutions... ...SPREAD THE WORD...SPREAD THE WORD...
Posted by: MCP2012 at December 12, 2005 09:12 PMAnd as for the more exotic (shall we say...) stuff: Again science (and, soon on thereafter, ENGINEERING & ENGINEERS [gotta love 'em]) will be able to get a handle (dare I say, more-or-less *literally*) on wormholes, and hyperspatial engineering in general. Again, see the various stuff of: Saul-Paul Sirag (the mathematics of whose "hyperspatial crystallography" is more-or-less the same [or dovetails with] the math already used to articulate current (Mem)Brane theory(s), as well as that of quantum-loop gravity), Tom Bearden, whose done great work in hyperspatial physics &, especially, zero-point energy, as well as other (many other) slightly more "mainstream" physicists... Sirag, as I already noted in a thread-post elsewhere (earlier), is optimistic that full-blown hyperspatial engineering is in the offing in the not-too-distant future. And hyperspatial engineering implies "god-like" (or Q-like) powers and capabilities. So if you think/thought nano-tech is super-duper and awe-inspiring, then just contemplate full-blown hyperspatial engineering...
Hold on to your hats, breath deeply and yogicly, try to have fun in the meantime, be cool...etc....*once we're significantly past the "knee" of the metacosmic developmental curve* (just a few years hence--15 yrs at most, +/- 5), then things will be changing in the blink of an eye, yet--and this is important--**by that time** we should be sufficiently augmented and cyborg'd (but, hopefully, not "borg'd") so as to **be able to "keep up" with the (now) almost-unimagineable rate of developmental-progression**.
As Timbo (Leary) and RAW emphasize: WE ARE EACH OF US **SINGULARITIES** (See Timbo's *Game of Life*, a great book, now published by Falcon Press...)
Hold onto your hats, indeed...(wink)
Posted by: MCP2012 at December 12, 2005 10:10 PMAlthough I would like to think that MCP2012 is right, I highly doubt it. The current age of superstition, greed and conflict shows no signs of abating anytime soon. People are getting stupider, goods and services are getting more expensive, and religious fundamentalism is gaining more support by the year.
As long as we keep beating the drums of war and chanting the incantations of religion, none of these positive scenarios will come to pass.
Posted by: ADBatstone at December 14, 2005 07:28 PMADBatstone: I'm sorry to see that you've yet again sunk into one of your pessimistic phases. Though I'm sure you'd characterize it merely as "(more) realistic..." The emerging tech will either be used libertorily or oppressively. Market forces will tend to skew it toward the former, but statists/power-elitests/et al, the world-'round will soon be faced with the same dilemma that the turds in Beijing are now continually being faced-with: You can't (but you can try...) have an authoritarian/totalitarian system that also nonetheless allows for economic liberty, innovation & growth. Liberalism, properly understood & instantiated is of a whole, or gestalt. You either have liberal institutions and rule-of-law, coupled with (albeit perhaps Kelsonianly-tweaked) more-or-less complete free markets, or you DON'T. Ya can't maintain some sort of top-down, authoritarian bullshit AND maintain innovation & economic growth. BUT, admittedly, if you're a plutocrat-turd, then you can certainly TRY to do so, and, in the meantime, things, as I've said, may get a bit nasty here & there. But to MINIMIZE this, we need to DEMAND freedom, DEMAND liberty, DEMAND affluent abundance *for all*, DEMAND, short WHATEVER IT TAKES, to optimally bring-about a full-fledged cybernated, robotic, nano-tech (and beyond...) EUTOPIA. Because we're already passed the point, as Bucky advised use YEARS ago, where the choice is nothing less than EUTOPIA or OBLIVION...
Write your congressperson and senator. Tell them you're aware of the techn-potential within our grasp. Tell them that you won't stand for any attempted hobbling of the WWW and tell them you want a labor-free and death-free EUTOPIA ***A.S.A.P.***
Gotta go for now...
Posted by: MCP2012 at December 17, 2005 03:44 PM